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		<title>By: Fred Brauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Brauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Fred Brauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Brauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steve Osborn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Osborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas Jefferson said,

&#8220;I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.&#8221;

Alexander Hamilton was the exponent of close cooperation between government, banking, and business. Simplified, banks loaned money to the government which paid business to support it. The loans were paid back to the banks by taxing the &quot;people of no particular importance.&quot; The result? The banks got richer, the businesses prospered, and the government gained power, but only through supporting the othe two sides of the triangle. The people got poorer and deeper in debt.

Hamilton said,

&quot;In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men the great difficulty lies in this: You must first enable the government to control the governed, and in the next place, oblige it to control itself.&quot;

and,

&quot;In the general course of human nature, A power over a man&#039;s subsistence amounts to a power over his will.&quot;

and,

&quot;It&#039;s not tyranny we desire; it&#039;s a just, limited, federal government.&quot;

And to the origins of Faux News, he said,

&quot;It is the advertiser who provides the paper for the subscriber. It is not to be disputed, that the publisher of a newspaper in this country, without a very exhaustive advertising support, would receive less reward for his labor than the humblest mechanic. &quot;

Jefferson fought Hamiltonian fiscal policy with all his might. Jefferson lost, Hamilton won, and now we have Goldman Sachs, et al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Jefferson said,</p>
<p>&ldquo;I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Alexander Hamilton was the exponent of close cooperation between government, banking, and business. Simplified, banks loaned money to the government which paid business to support it. The loans were paid back to the banks by taxing the &quot;people of no particular importance.&quot; The result? The banks got richer, the businesses prospered, and the government gained power, but only through supporting the othe two sides of the triangle. The people got poorer and deeper in debt.</p>
<p>Hamilton said,</p>
<p>&quot;In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men the great difficulty lies in this: You must first enable the government to control the governed, and in the next place, oblige it to control itself.&quot;</p>
<p>and,</p>
<p>&quot;In the general course of human nature, A power over a man&#039;s subsistence amounts to a power over his will.&quot;</p>
<p>and,</p>
<p>&quot;It&#039;s not tyranny we desire; it&#039;s a just, limited, federal government.&quot;</p>
<p>And to the origins of Faux News, he said,</p>
<p>&quot;It is the advertiser who provides the paper for the subscriber. It is not to be disputed, that the publisher of a newspaper in this country, without a very exhaustive advertising support, would receive less reward for his labor than the humblest mechanic. &quot;</p>
<p>Jefferson fought Hamiltonian fiscal policy with all his might. Jefferson lost, Hamilton won, and now we have Goldman Sachs, et al.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt&#039;s right on as usual...
Re Goldman,
See my Article from December, 2007 -
&quot;Is Goldman Sachs President?
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_kent_wel_071216_is_goldman_sachs_pre.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_kent_wel_...&lt;/a&gt;

Kent Welton,
PublicCentralBank.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt&#039;s right on as usual&#8230;<br />
Re Goldman,<br />
See my Article from December, 2007 -<br />
&quot;Is Goldman Sachs President?<br />
<a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_kent_wel_071216_is_goldman_sachs_pre.htm" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_kent_wel_.." rel="nofollow">http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_kent_wel_..</a>.</p>
<p>Kent Welton,<br />
PublicCentralBank.com</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi mike,

this is an interesting point that you make. obviously, it comes down to semantics. however, i should point out that the entirely notion of a free-market misleading. there is always going to be an institutional economy regulating the behaviors of those who are participants even in a &quot;free-market.&quot; the institution of property, for instance, is based upon cultural conventions that have been institutionalized in the juridical mechanisms that adjudicate disputes between private individuals. Further, laws concerning contractual agreements are predicated upon statutes defining who, how, and for what a contract can be agreed upon that is legally binding. in most states, for instance, no one under 18 can enter into a contractual agreement. even the institution of inheritance is based upon cultural conventions that have been institutionalized in our civil codes. I guess my point is that the idea of a free-market is chimerical, because there are always going to be fixtures belonging to the institutional economy. However, this does not impact your argument, because whether the optimal outcome would be actualized by you model of the free-market is an empirical question, which I would not dismiss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi mike,</p>
<p>this is an interesting point that you make. obviously, it comes down to semantics. however, i should point out that the entirely notion of a free-market misleading. there is always going to be an institutional economy regulating the behaviors of those who are participants even in a &quot;free-market.&quot; the institution of property, for instance, is based upon cultural conventions that have been institutionalized in the juridical mechanisms that adjudicate disputes between private individuals. Further, laws concerning contractual agreements are predicated upon statutes defining who, how, and for what a contract can be agreed upon that is legally binding. in most states, for instance, no one under 18 can enter into a contractual agreement. even the institution of inheritance is based upon cultural conventions that have been institutionalized in our civil codes. I guess my point is that the idea of a free-market is chimerical, because there are always going to be fixtures belonging to the institutional economy. However, this does not impact your argument, because whether the optimal outcome would be actualized by you model of the free-market is an empirical question, which I would not dismiss.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelBoldin</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelBoldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there&#039;s a &quot;free market&quot; in existence?  and it&#039;s failed at achieving energy independence?  Russell - with all due respect - that&#039;s a nearly absurd statement.

There is no free market in America, and failure to achieve energy independence, then, cannot be blamed on it.

The market in this country is highly regulated, and is far closer to a corporatist - or possibly mercantilist - economy than a market economy.

thus, the blame should be put squarely on corporatism, which is the inevitable outcome of an over-centralized state.

Although my preference is free choice and voluntary exchange, I would far prefer even a localized syndicalist economy to the nearly fascist one we have in this country today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there&#039;s a &quot;free market&quot; in existence?  and it&#039;s failed at achieving energy independence?  Russell &#8211; with all due respect &#8211; that&#039;s a nearly absurd statement.</p>
<p>There is no free market in America, and failure to achieve energy independence, then, cannot be blamed on it.</p>
<p>The market in this country is highly regulated, and is far closer to a corporatist &#8211; or possibly mercantilist &#8211; economy than a market economy.</p>
<p>thus, the blame should be put squarely on corporatism, which is the inevitable outcome of an over-centralized state.</p>
<p>Although my preference is free choice and voluntary exchange, I would far prefer even a localized syndicalist economy to the nearly fascist one we have in this country today.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true that GS and Gov&#039;t bureaucrats are in the same bed together.  Have solid info that many if not most GS employees are ex-CIA and FBI types right out of Govt&#039;.  They are on both payrolls.  Are we surprised??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that GS and Gov&#039;t bureaucrats are in the same bed together.  Have solid info that many if not most GS employees are ex-CIA and FBI types right out of Govt&#039;.  They are on both payrolls.  Are we surprised??</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are certainly right to assert that plants need carbon dioxide. However, you are missing the point. It is the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that is problematic and is attributed as a causation of global warming. As far as an ice age is concerned, this is a scientific theory that has been falsified.
With respect to climatology, the theory of an oncoming ice age has been disproven and replaced by the more accurate theory of global warming. It was once largely maintained that the sun revolved around the earth. However, I do not think many people would cite this fact as a compelling reason not to accept modern astronomical accounts that insist that the earth revolves around the sun.
Your arguments are so simple mined that they would make me hesitant to support your candidacy even though I agree with you on other issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are certainly right to assert that plants need carbon dioxide. However, you are missing the point. It is the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that is problematic and is attributed as a causation of global warming. As far as an ice age is concerned, this is a scientific theory that has been falsified.<br />
With respect to climatology, the theory of an oncoming ice age has been disproven and replaced by the more accurate theory of global warming. It was once largely maintained that the sun revolved around the earth. However, I do not think many people would cite this fact as a compelling reason not to accept modern astronomical accounts that insist that the earth revolves around the sun.<br />
Your arguments are so simple mined that they would make me hesitant to support your candidacy even though I agree with you on other issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is the free market that will achieve energy independence, then why has it failed so miserably at it? The free market does not only resolve problems; additionally, it can create problems. Why are Americans migrating to the Southwest, when the most abundant fresh water resources are positioned in the Northeast? Why have people migrated to the suburbs, creating sprawl - which results in transportation and energy inefficiencies - when it would be more economically advantageous to live in the city? In these instances, the free market has not operated rationally, and based upon its history, why should we expect it to manifest rational outcomes when it comes to energy policy?
I am not saying we should have centralized economic management. What I am saying is that in some instances the market is not the best solution, and that public policy needs to be used in order to correct these undesirable outcomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is the free market that will achieve energy independence, then why has it failed so miserably at it? The free market does not only resolve problems; additionally, it can create problems. Why are Americans migrating to the Southwest, when the most abundant fresh water resources are positioned in the Northeast? Why have people migrated to the suburbs, creating sprawl &#8211; which results in transportation and energy inefficiencies &#8211; when it would be more economically advantageous to live in the city? In these instances, the free market has not operated rationally, and based upon its history, why should we expect it to manifest rational outcomes when it comes to energy policy?<br />
I am not saying we should have centralized economic management. What I am saying is that in some instances the market is not the best solution, and that public policy needs to be used in order to correct these undesirable outcomes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Getting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Getting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake,

You are right with your democracy critique and the position of the founding fathers. The problem is that with full democracy an ignorant and uninformed majority is easily manipulated by a few (the banking cartel, et al. in our case.)

Good luck in your run for Congress.  Perhaps you, Ron Paul, Peter Schiff and others can finally effect a change.

Jan Getting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,</p>
<p>You are right with your democracy critique and the position of the founding fathers. The problem is that with full democracy an ignorant and uninformed majority is easily manipulated by a few (the banking cartel, et al. in our case.)</p>
<p>Good luck in your run for Congress.  Perhaps you, Ron Paul, Peter Schiff and others can finally effect a change.</p>
<p>Jan Getting</p>
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