This is truly a moment I must say, “If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention….”
The stunning plan Barack Obama slipped into his speech Thursday, a speech filled with “the rule of law” is PROLONGED, or PREVENTIVE DETENTION.
The President said he will “develop an appropriate legal regime” to indefinitely imprison people without charges based on what he thinks they might want to do, on their speech, or their associations. He admitted that there are people now detained who cannot be prosecuted because evidence against them is tainted by torture, or because there simply IS no evidence against them. He implied this could go on for a decade or more.
The Bush regime thought about this, but never tried it. This has never been done by the US in its history. What does it mean that Obama stated flatly that habeas corpus — the right to know charges against you, and be able to defend yourself – will be indefinitely denied to a class of people.
Here are 2 key paragraphs of Glen Greenwald’s piece: Facts and myths about Obama’s preventive detention proposal.
“It’s important to be clear about what “preventive detention” authorizes. It does not merely allow the U.S. Government to imprison people alleged to have committed Terrorist acts yet who are unable to be convicted in a civilian court proceeding. That class is merely a subset, perhaps a small subset, of who the Government can detain. Far more significant, “preventive detention” allows indefinite imprisonment not based on proven crimes or past violations of law, but of those deemed generally “dangerous” by the Government for various reasons (such as, as Obama put it yesterday, they “expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden” or “otherwise made it clear that they want to kill Americans”). That’s what “preventive” means: imprisoning people because the Government claims they are likely to engage in violent acts in the future because they are alleged to be “combatants.”
Once known, the details of the proposal could — and likely will — make this even more extreme by extending the “preventive detention” power beyond a handful of Guantanamo detainees to anyone, anywhere in the world, alleged to be a “combatant.” After all, once you accept the rationale on which this proposal is based — namely, that the U.S. Government must, in order to keep us safe, preventively detain “dangerous” people even when they can’t prove they violated any laws — there’s no coherent reason whatsoever to limit that power to people already at Guantanamo, as opposed to indefinitely imprisoning with no trials all allegedly “dangerous” combatants, whether located in Pakistan, Thailand, Indonesia, Western countries and even the U.S.”
There was also plenty to be outraged about in Dick Cheney’s blood-thirsty, fascist speech at the American Enterprise Institute. He meant to have the final word, clearly acts as if he’s still in power, and is determined to set terms for Obama. While in California this week, I’ve talked to a number of people who heard Cheney’s raving, and were relieved to hear Obama uphold the “rule of law”. But check out the Utube of Rachel Maddow on Obama’s “two speeches.” And David Swanson in: Does Cheney Make Obama Look Good?
The debate cannot be between Cheney’s vision of permanent war for empire, unbound by constitutional niceties like due process, and Obama’s “re-branding” of the same. But I don’t buy the argument that those of us who opposed the Bush program should now accept the Obama proposals, and not fight them, because Cheney is waiting in the wings.
The people, represented now by relatively and admittedly small numbers of us who are outraged, and see where this is going, have to come into the argument by taking a stand against US torture, indefinite & preventive detention, and soon, visibly. We need to bring more people with us, and not stop, given the stakes.
Right now, the demand to Release the Torture Photos and Prosecute the War Criminals is right on time. Where the US goes on torture is not yet decided, will be a central issue in the Obama presidency and the conduct of the “war of terror” occupying the people of the Middle East. We cannot depend on the courts to do the right thing. The US Senate has entered in, profoundly on the wrong side. See Dennis Loo: Senate Votes to Block Release of [Torture] Photos for 5 Years
But there’s a lot more here than the fate of the Guantanamo detainees, as profound a moral question for humanity as that is. I wrote about the appointment of Stanley McChrystal to lead the US occupation of Afghanistan. More and more is coming out on him. See Tom Engelhart,
Obama, McChrystal, and Expanding the War in Afghanistan and Pakistan
- He’s a protege of Rumsfeld, protected by Cheney, heading an assassination squad under the Joint Special Operations Command, which Seymour Hersh says is the shadowy assassination squad operating in Iraq as part of the surge.
- When McChrystal was brought into Afghanistan two weeks ago, he was at an Oval Office meeting was held where Obama agreed not to release the torture photos.
- It’s thought some of the photos being covered up are of abuse directly under McChrystal’s command.









7 comments ↓
It takes courage to stand up to these people. I applaud everyone who gets out and protests in their own way.
I think we really need to start standing up and saying no!
I think protest is a one form of change making, and so is going to jail for not being a taxpayer. But I can foresee a time when even that wouldn’t work because those in power would take the prisoners and put them to work in the fields and in factories.
Don’t say it can’t happen, it just hasn’t in the U S - yet. But it has happened in other countries.
We need to take our Government back and I still think it can be done peacefully by formation of a Viable Third Party. One that we the people could start out controlling.
Well, I don’t like to sound like an alarmist, but
Congress is enacting ever more restrictive legislation forbidding or penalizing freedom of speech and opinion,
There are many concentration camps that have been constructed during the previous eight years, at least one of which has huge gas lines piped in to a sealed building with exhaust stacks.
If you imprison enough people, eventually it becomes difficult to feed them, so you eliminate them for the good of society.
There has been a lot of effort expended to make all of this much more efficient than it was in the 1940’s. The Gestapo had to actually hunt for dissenters. Now, we can bring them up on line, activate the GPS chip in their cell phone or car and pick them up immediately.
We are moving toward the position that thoughtcrime is a punishable offense. If the government decides that you may be thinking about doing something wrong by the state’s definition, you may be picked up and disappeared. Bush made a start of that right after 9-11. Even the rationalizations given at the time came right out of the Nacht und Nebel playbook of the Nazi government.
I’m sorry, but I fear we are getting down to two choices. Either figure out a way to curb this increasingly fascist government, or resign ourselves to living like Winston Smith in Orwell’s 1984, being conscious of continual surveillance, doing nothing unexpected or out of the ordinary, lest it bring you to somebody’s attention. Guarding your speech, the expression on your face, burning any books or papers you have that might be construed as critical of the government, and never mentioning the people who have disappeared, who have become unpersons, because they erred in their self-control and received the knock on the door in the night.
When I wrote my prediction of what Bush would do, a couple of weeks before his inauguration in 2000, I was deluged with “This is America! It can’t happen here!” It did in spades.
Now, here we are in the first year of the Obamanation and the excesses seem to be continuing, along the same path, to an overt fascist state. Perhaps it is time for a reprint of Orwell’s 1984 to be issued. The unthinkable has been thunk.
It’s about six years too late for “bold” protest. Let’s call this “misplaced.” That would be more accurate.
I don’t think that protest against injustice is wrong – anytime. you do?
Why doesn't Obama just use psychiatry like the Soviets did? Psychiatry has a massive amount of power and can already detain people for indefinite periods of time against their will with no due process or violation of the law.
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