There are no headlines or pontificating pundits, but the real news that has become crystal clear to any but the most delusional and distracted Americans is that President Obama has no commitment to applying the rule of law where it counts. Certainly, not applying it to the large number of rich and powerful people that have violated our Constitution and plunged the nation into economic disaster. FULL ARTICLE
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Protecting the system, plain and simple. Don’t rock the boat, right Barack?
This guy just might be worse than the last one, and we’re begging him to prosecute his buddy Bush? It’ll never happen.
It would be hard for me to envision someone worse than Bush. But to not at least bring an investigation and trial if warranted (and I think it is ) , would be nothing more than functioning as an accessory to the crime. And Accessories to the commission of a crime are defined legally as criminals also – that is the last time I checked it was. Surely there has not been a secret executive order issued-is there?
It would be helpful in The People’s need for the application of law upon those who have abused their powers, if the specific culprits and the charges against them were listed. This list could be distributed through the populace, studied and considered. Then the People could make their will known by voting on whether or not they wish this justice to be done.
Of course, it would be helpful if an American People’s Plebiscite were operational, as a tool for this movement.
See sample at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/American_Peoples_Plebiscite/
But even without this plebiscite, the list of culprits and charges would certainly be helpful. From it could be constructed a formal indictment.
What do we do when the federal government doesn’t listen to what we the people want? Sooner or later asking them to is got to be seen as a waste of time, no?
I just need to point some things out, here.
A) It took ages to get Nazi’s convicted and held responsible for their actions – and their actions were far more clear cut and over the top (not defending Bush and Co, just sayin’ though.)
B) Obama has not removed the possibility and opportunity to hold those responsible for war crimes legally accountable. he has released, and continues to release seriously damaging evidence on a daily basis, and has begun working with the UK with regards to a prisoner who was tortured from their country, which was previously blocked outright by the Bush administration.
C)We are facing serious domestic and international economic problems right now. It’s called triage – you go after the things that are either extremely easy to handle (reversing many laws created by Bush that restricted state’s rights) and handle the most pressing items first (economy, conflicts). There is no statute of limitations on war crimes. He’s not going to run out of time.
D) I understand everyone’s frustration at the moment, but I am entirely unclear of why people think that anything is going to happen overnight? Legal proceedings of this nature will take a very, very long time, and the Obama administration has taken a huge first step in the right direction – releasing information. ANyone who has ever had to deal with the legal system knows how long it can take for a simple case (my husband and I have already waited 2 years for a simple accident claim suit to be paid, and we haven’t even seen a court room yet). It takes time!!
E) Poll sindicate that the majority fof teh US still favorably supports Obama – 64% now. There were a couple thousand people across the nation at “tea parties” protesting things they had no problem with a couple o fyears ago, that were manufactured by the media. This is not representative of what’s actually occurring throughout the country.
Come on guys – let’ suse some logic and rationale here. it’ sone thing to come down hard on a politican when they’ve given sufficient evidence that they have seriously screwed up. It’s another thing entirely to rush into projections and treat them as facts.
Anok. I can go along with what you state here. And I think you are right. I think what most people including me is apprehensive about is a pardon. It would be political suicide to pardon them without listing all the charges and if everything was listed, I don’t think anyone could issue a pardon.
But this is why the Republicans want back in to save their heroes ass. So their mantra is to somehow try to blame Obama for everything that occurred under Bush.
I absolutely agree, Cliff. If pardons are made, and excuses are used, and this situation is swept under the carpet, I’ll be right there condemning Obama for that.
However, if he tries – (meaning makes a valid effort) to push this forward, and it doesn’t happen, I can’t blame him for that, although I will be seriously disappointed across the board.
I’m just looking at the current political climate, and the current economic climate, and I can understand why this isn’t something that should be pursued right here, right now, immediately. We have so many things that need immediate attention, and, of course the GOP will look for anything, any reason right now to obstruct anything Obama does (good or bad) that essentially going after this right this second would actually be detrimental to the passing of legislation that could benefit the country, and everyone in it, because it will be perceived as a “witch hunt”. Regardless of the validity of it.
And that’s politics, unfortunately
Yes Anok, I agree and agree again that politics can be extremely detrimental for the people of the United States. Actually not the politics, but the politics of partisanship.
Good morning “Spoonerite”. We will be ignored sometimes and heeded sometimes. It depends on the agenda and the personalities involved…and the priorities of our needs. Sometimes We will be partially accommodated. Our Rights must be respected. If We become totally ignored, then that is a real sign for change by US. When this happens then the politicians will have completed their devolution away from true statecraft to tyranny. Hopefully, We The People will be prepared to deal with this.
If We were to be ignored all the time then We would have to completely rebuild the government either peacefully through the vote or forcefully through revolution.
Or We could build an alternate new “True American Government” Of the People, For the People and By the People. But before this happens I think We will have to sufffer a lot more…to awaken Us to become more skilled at cooperation amongst Ourselves.This alternate government could be started now and practiced before actually becoming the new replacement authority. This could be done in cyber space and locally. The authority would rise from the local level up to the national and/or Republic level. I assume it would be based on the present Constitution, perhaps with the understanding that there will be constructive reform of this sacred dcument eventually.
Right now, like “Anok”, I too am willing to give President Obama more time to dance his dance and walk his walk. He is dealing with an incredible mess and has already begun making good changes in certain areas. The “Americorps” project gives me a lot of hope. This could be just the catalyst We The People need to help Us make the changes toward cooperation skills that is essential for the American Vision to be fulfilled.
All this is just my personal opinion however.
Respectfully, DAN 1
If we wait for the perfect time to take action we’ll be waiting forever. That’s not how justice is supposed to work. When I break the law I am at least identified, searched for and arrested immediately. I might have to post bail and wait for my court date, but the arrest takes place as soon as possible. What makes these criminals so different?
Jerry
I certainly agree. It’s the formula certain for “business as usual”.
Jerry, I’ll second that! If we wait for the politicians, we’ll never see justice. We’ll never see an end to war. We’ll never see much good.
You just have to read a little history to understand. In the feudal society in Europe and England, the serfs were bound to the land.They worked for the Lord of the Manor. Anything they did for themselves, a large percentage was taken for the Lord. If they were hungry and a serf snared a rabbit, he lost his hand. A second time, his head. Taking some fallen wood to repair his hovel, or to burn as firewood to keep from freezing could be a capital crime, or at least lose him his house and perhaps be put in the stocks. He had no rights, no expectation of redress.
The Lord of the Manor, be he knight or Duke was above the law, except as the king applied it. He was required to provide military service in a war, or he could pay with money, squeezed from the villeins. Mainly he was left alone as long as he didn’t rock the boat.
The serfs certainly didn’t have any expectation of bringing the Lord to court for his abuses.
In our feudal society, things look different, but when it comes to one law for all, we serfs can play “go fish.” If we had the millions to afford justice, we wouldn’t be serfs, so we wouldn’t be worrying about the small stuff anymore, we’d vacation in the Bahamas with the big boys.
I doubt we’ll ever see a constitutional government again, or a nation of law, beyond the repressive kind.
A couple years ago, I heard Chalmers Johnson speak on what he thought would be a monumental collapse in this country. Basically, he was saying that this is a dangerous time, and also a time for opportunity. Out of an economic crisis can come either more restrictions – a worse form of dictatorship – or it can actually lead to an opening – a chance to let it all fall apart and build something new.
I’m hoping for the latter – if it’s a choice between the two.
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