For eight years, America has been attacking and destroying a country that is about as dangerous a threat to America as is Mali, or Haiti, or the Comoros Islands. If Obama follows through and doubles the number of troops fighting over there, it will just make this whole policy twice as stupid. FULL ARTICLE
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The only threat is that they might not play ball – and allow the US to control the oil, heroin, have a place to test and waste trillions in weapons.
Neither is Iraq, or Iran, or Syria, or Venezuela, or Mexico, or
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Right on the button as usual, Dave. Afghanistan has been eating foreign armies since the time of Alexander.
To quote old Pete Seeger, “When will they ever learn? When will they eever learn?”
Seeger might also have said, “Waist Deep in the Big Muddy, and the big fool says to push on…“
What makes me sick about all this is that so many of my friends kept insisting that obama was ANTIwar during his campaign. Can’t seem to get much of an answer from them now.
Oceania is at war with Eastasia
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia
Hurrah for Big Brother!!!!
Hurrah for Big Brother!!!!
Hurrah for Big Brother!!!!
Shit, it never ends, does it?
Crystal, Steve, short and sweet, but it really points out how most people in this country are walking zombies. I was on reddit.com today and saw one of my “friends” who was very antiwar under bush defending the war in afghanistan. sick, really sick.
I really like Dave’s articles on war and foreign policy. Economy? not so much, but he’s really a good ally.
That’s right, no threat whatsoever! And there’s also no threat from Iran, or Pakistan, or Somalia, or any other place that the US threatens war. Neo-Bush seems to be doing a lot of what the last Bush did….
Obama. How did you happen to lose your mind? Did you drink too much kool aid? Or was the War Industry just too sweet with that “Stuff” that corrupts Washington.
Don’t send any good American boys and girls to die in a country that never has invaded anybody. The War Industry has done enough damage to America.
Forgotten Wars, Forgotten Warriors
Korea, they say, was not a war.
It was a “Police Action.”
Which would you rather die as?
A “policeman,” or a soldier?
Or would you perhaps rather live?
At least Korea had a reason,
Flawed, of course, but a reason.
Most of the world pitched in to fight
On one side or the other.
How many died before it finally burned out?
Vietnam was an accident, turned into a war.
A people who fought for their independence.
A millennium against the Chinese,
A century against the French.
Thousands died, were tortured, jailed.
Overrun by Japan, they fought for freedom.
At war’s end, they were given back to France,
So again they had to fight;
At Dien Bien Phu, they won.
The time of rejoicing was short.
Like Korea, the country was divided up.
The Western Nations made the decision.
South Vietnam to be “ours”
North Vietnam to be “theirs.”
No one asked the People of their desires.
Once more the Vietnamese had to fight
To expel the foreign occupiers,
Remove their puppet governments,
Reaffirm their independence.
Does hubris come with power, or vice versa?
Advisors were sent in
To help build the ARVN army.
Then to fight with the ARVN;
Finally to die with the ARVN.
Would you rather be No. 1, or No. 58,178?
Rulers were changed as the war went on.
The key is, the war went on.
The Phoenix burned on its pyre
Hatching new warriors for the cause.
For every village that dies, avengers arise.
A new Pearl Harbor was needed,
To fully unleash the dogs of war.
Tonkin Gulf was the catalyst,
A Black Op by the USA.
B-52’s can destroy property, but not ideas.
We carpet bombed the north,
Poisoned the land with Orange and Purple.
Our troops were collateral damage,
Not to be recognized for years.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
As the years rolled on,
We found it impossible to tell
Friend from foe, in a country that
Simply wanted us out!
Strange that all peoples resist occupation.
Finally, the last helicopters left Embassy Row.
Saigon became Ho Chi Minh City.
And we had learned a hard lesson,
Now engraved upon a wall.
Only vets learn the real lesson of war.
Thirty years later,
Another “Pearl Harbor,”
Another pair of wars,
The foundation poured for yet another Wall.
They who dodged ‘Nam start a new war.
Read the above poem again
Make the place names Afghan, Iraqi.
Substitute DU for Agent Orange.
Government denial is still there.
We don’t count their dead, or show ours.
Now, in the Pentagon, the plans are made
At Bush/Cheney’s desperate urging.
We, or Israel (with our backing)
Are next to nuke Iran!
And thus unleash the final holocaust.
Russia, China, and others, no doubt,
Will retaliate with nukes of their own.
In time, not long, there will be few left
To count our dead, or remember.
The Nuclear Dragon will have eaten us all.
How long will it be before We the People
Break the wheel of death?
How many more thousands, or millions, to die
To be maimed, poisoned?
What happened to our Constitution?
Once upon a time we defended!
We fought for freedom, democracy,
Not oil and Empire…once upon a time.
We don’t need Roman Legions.
Let us remember our dead, not create more.
Stephen M. Osborn
19 December 2006
Apparently, the program will not allow stanza breaks in the above (or below), so consider the italic lines to be them.
It’s beginning to feel to me like this entire country has lost its mind. What the heck are people thinking? Voting for someone who said they were going to escalate this war, or someone who would escalate the other? I just don’t get it. This whole voting thing is a sham.
Steve, great poem, by the way. Hope you’ll consider posting it here as its own blog….I would think this should deserve some attention on its own.
Allen, that’s a great suggestion. Steve, I hope you’ll post this one here. If you’re not sure how, or have any questions on that, send me an email…
Great Steve. And think of the result, no “war” mentioned in the poem was a declared war. They were all fought for one reason or another, none , repeat none, was because we had been attacked by the country that we went to war against.
When will it end? The answer is simple. When the profit motive is removed. Then our wars will only occur when we truly do have to defend our country.
Cliff, I don’t believe it’s possible for a “profit motive” to be removed from war. Even if there’s absolutely NO outsourcing, there’s always money to be made by someone, and some very powerful people. Weapons still need to be made, and millions still need to be employed in the war industry. No matter what’s done, there’s still profit in war. And, politicians gain power through war – there’s no bigger motive than that sometimes.
Isn’t this the place where Osmama bin laden trained his forces and where women are beaten for wearing fingernail polish and where the entire world backed our entrance into this country. I thought the only thing Bush ever did that was for America was to enter Afghanistan. The Taliban is the worlds biggest threat when they extend their ideals to the al quada and beyond. The women of Kabul were liberated from this regime by the USA and we should not abandon them. We started something we need to finish and leaving Iarq is a good thing but not Afghanistan that is where the real war on terror is not Iraq. We went into Iraq on false pretense but we entered Afganistan with strong justifacation. Do not confues the two wars there is a big difference…. The entire world understands the threat to the globe from this training ground for terror even if you people do not. Obama understands what you folks do not get we need a calm and peacful Afghanistan Between the herion and the terror exported this battle is the only justifiable war of the two…
You are right Spoonerite. War is always profitable for a few and an eternal death for the many. That is why the President is not allowed to declare war. Congress allowed the Iraqi debacle to happen. And I for one think they to a person knew that Iraq had no WMD , was not a threat to America, and everyone of them knew that Saddam had offered to go into exile before the invasion, so the war wasn’t necessary, except the War Industry didn’t want to miss out on their opportunity to open up a new profit stream. That many would die and be maimed and that the country would be destroyed didn’t mean a thing to what I call the “Blood Profiteers”.
As to Afghanistan, originally America entered that country to block Oil plans of the soviets. The Taliban was formed by the United States ( the CIA thought that they needed a Religion based counterinsurgency to the USSR). So we morphed the Muhajjaden into what later became the Taliban.
To make matters worse about Afghanistan and Bin Laden, the Taliban offered to give him up to avoid war in Afghanistan. We refused. As to the Heroin , actually the Taliban had stopped the production of Poppies. It resumed when the United States took over.
Remember, Bin Laden fought for the United states in the first Afghan war. He declared war on the United States in the early 90’s because the U S forced Saudi Arabia to accept a U S military base there. Bin Laden is a Saudi, and was as rich as any Rockefeller. Can you imagine a multi-millionaire moving to the mountains of Afghanistan to fight the Soviets and then staying there to fight America?
I think Cliff pointed out something that’s really important – bin laden used to fight for the us. some called him a cia asset. Then again, same with saddam. Is this the pattern? Fight a war, get some allies, install allies after war and fight a war later on against (former) allies/assets?
Ferenc. That has been the pattern. And as long as enough people in the United States allow it to continue, it will be the pattern.
If you want to go back far enough, lets say early 1800’s it was the pattern then of the Neoconservatives ( Empire Builders ) who have in today’s world become known as the Neo-Cons. So they have been in this world for a long time.
Obama said he would expand Afghanistan now you people act like its news grow up
Mernie – it doesn’t matter if an expanded war in Afghanistan is news or not. The reality is that killing people in Afghanistan needs to stop now, as it needs to stop in Iraq.
To reiterate what should be obvious, the fact that the U.S. was attacked in 2001 does not give this country the right to attack and kill people who had nothing to do with those crimes. It is morally acceptable to go after criminals, but it is a crime to kill their families, their friends, their neighbors, or anyone else not criminally complicit.
And just a quick FYI – opposing war is not a reason to tell people to “grow up” – in fact, that’s really not a good argument in any situation…so please tone it down a notch in the future.
Mernie. Please envision that your next door neighbor shot a policeman. Next thing you know, a judge has decided you are going to have to pay for it.
So the police storm your home completely destroying it, shoot your wife , beat up you kids, and put you under house arrest for an open ended term.
And even though you had absolutely nothing to do with the initial crime you are expected to keep your mouth shut, and obey, and yes approve the action of the judge.
Whether the neighbor who committed the crime gets punished is of no consequence as affects your punishment. And when you complain someone tells you to grow up.
Afghanistan, never started any war against anyone in this fiasco. And yet they have been the victims for going on thirty years. The war initially started over a dispute between Russia and American Oil Companies.
Afghanistan is where Russia and the United States of Corporate Oil sent their armies. Check it out.
The United States average citizen is also a victim. Obama seems to want to continue the pillage.
As to this Afghan injustice please allow me to post a pertinent quote by Ghandi:
“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism, or the holy name of liberty, or Democracy?”
I don’t remember which sage said it, “God must love the poor, he made so many of them.” But the Captains of Industry (Robber Barons) and the Neocons are right in God’s corner on this one. A huge populace of desperate people whose families are facing starvation and homelessness are good fodder. They will work longer for less, accept humiliation, be obsequious and fearful. This suits the Oligarchy to the ground. I imagine they expend some thought towards keeping a balance, a shred of hope out there, so the poor don’t finally decide they have had enough and rise up to smite them hip and thigh.
There is very little left to share with the common folk of America, and the government is making sure that most of that goes to the wealthiest of the wealthy, with a scattering of pocket change to the poor to keep them quiet. Sort of reminds me of John D. Rockefeller, the richest man of his time, sitting on a bench in the park handing out dimes to passers by. The papers remarked on how generous he was.
As Cindy said, the people have been immersed in bullshit and horseshit for so long thay no longer notice the taste and smell.
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